About Rathbun and Rinder talking to the FBI or going to the Feds

Michael L. Tilse: I think both Mike and Marty have come a long way out of the Scientologist mindset. Maybe even all the way out. I don’t want to minimize that. It’s huge. And I cheer for them over that.

And you are right, they have most likely shared much with the Feds we do not yet know. Perhaps we will know soon, or more likely, eventually.

But even given that, I am not aware that they have publicly stepped up to a thorough self examination and admission of the harm they caused in their years of authority over some of the nastiest and reprehensible activities of Scientology. There should be apologies. I would be happy to read such if it exists and I am not aware of it.

Atonement should be in proportion to the transgression. Or at least that is what I believe. They have a lot to atone for.1

This scenario of Rathbun and Rinder talking to the FBI or going to the Feds has been brought up several times over the past few years. It is used as evidence of them doing the right thing, or how effective they are as critics, as it has been assumed that whatever they told the Feds helped the Scientologists’ victims.

In view of the known facts, however, this assumption is illogical. It is illogical to think that Rathbun and Rinder would lie about me in Memoirs, continue the criminal framing of me and Mike Flynn, black PR me and other persons he victimized, and yet tell the truth about what they did to fair game us to the Feds.

Rathbun went to the Feds all sorts of times while working inside the cult and in charge of fair game under Miscavige.Rathbun went to the Feds, and had others go to the Feds, about Flynn and me. Rathbun lied to the Feds then, and there is no reason to believe he is not lying to them now. Until he tells the truth to his victims about his victimizing them, his talking to the FBI is just like Kendrick Moxon talking to the FBI.

All the “Indies” talking to all the FBI had the effect of ending any investigation into the cult. All Rathbun’s followers would have black PRed me and others similarly positioned SPs to the Feds.

It must be understood, of course, that the Feds conspired with the Scientologists against the Scientologists’ victims.2 When Scientologist conspirators like Rathbun and Rinder talk to the Feds, they are talking to their coconspirators. The cure is the public exposure of the conspirators and breaking of the conspiracy, not the conspirators talking in secret. That keeps the conspiracy working, which appears to be Rathbun and Rinder’s purpose.


  1. Originally posted to Tony Ortega’s blog.
  2. See The Operators: http://armstrong-op.gerryarmst…

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