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Re: Mike Rinder posted something important today

8th December 2016, 10:10 PM #14
Caroline
Gerry has written and spoken quite a bit about Mike Rinder, because he was Rinder’s biggest fair game target for so long, and he continues to be a key fair game target. Below are links to some of the materials that inform their relationship, and to the small amount of correspondence between them.

Over all the years Rinder fair gamed Gerry for Scientology, and had been paid by Scientology for that purpose, he wrote and spoke a great deal about Gerry. Almost all of what Rinder has written or said was in secret. Much was black PR. He has never publicly, or to Gerry, disclosed or acknowledged what he did to fair game Gerry or what he has written or said about him.

Since Rinder in recent years has been portraying himself as Scientology tamer or exposer, the absence of his public statements concerning Gerry is actually a revealing factor in their relationship. Rinder is identified as editor of Rathbun’s 2013 book, and Gerry says it forwards the cult’s black PR on him and his attorney Mike Flynn. Rinder was briefly recorded by the German filmmaker Markus Thoess black PRing Gerry. (Video below) He has taken no action that I am aware of to correct the black PR he promulgated, even to the highest levels of government.

Rinder and Gerry really have an extraordinary relationship, which is similar to Gerry’s with Mark Rathbun: the long unrepentant victimizer and his common undying victim. Gerry is not seeking a sense of “closure.” His requests of Mike Rinder are the same as his requests of Mark Rathbun, which are essentially to tell the truth toward correcting ongoing injustices and black propaganda. It very well may be that “closure” is not obtained, but at least justice would have been sought. Right now, Mike Rinder and Mark Rathbun do not seek justice for their victims and do not support the people who do seek such justice. The “closure” they apparently seek is our acceptance of the decades long injustices and other crimes they perpetrated against their victims. “Public apologies” without real willingness to do what’s possible to correct the wrongs reduces the “apologies” to further acts of fair game. “May be tricked, sued, or lied to or destroyed.”

No Truth from Rinder? No reconcilation. 1

9th December 2016, 12:53 AM #16
HelluvaHoax!
Thanks Caroline.

What do you think about the idea of having a meeting and airing of all these unspoken of events between Jerry and Mike–and having the event HOSTED and FILMED by someone like Mark Bunker?

It would be a first.

Just speculating, but I would imagine that Jerry would greatly appreciate and enjoy the chance to such a live/recorded forum. I don’t know Mike R., but I can also hope that he too would “bite the bullet” and just get it over with by answering some tough questions and getting it behind him. For Mark Bunker’s part, maybe it is one of the missing ingredients and illuminative sparks to help tie together his long-overdue documentary.

It’s never been done before, a fair gamer talks openly to a fair-gamed.

I know this might be offering unsolicited advice, but it’s “humbly tendered as a gift” and all that……on this planet.

ps: So there is no misunderstanding, I view this cathartic kind of meeting as historical. Not to jam up Mike Rinder in any respect. He has been a spectacularly successful demonstration of escaping the inner core of the diabolical cult. He has disavowed it all and done extraordinary things to expose the abuses, even if you/Jerry are unsatisfied with his not yet providing certain specifics that victimized Jerry. That is understandable. But MR has earned some medals on the way out of the COS (Crimewave of Scn) and perhaps there may be even more medals to be pinned on him before it’s all over. He’s a good man and Jerry’s a good man. It sucks that both got caught in the dark gravity of Hubbard’s hoax.

Last edited by HelluvaHoax!; 9th December 2016 at 03:06 AM.

Dear HelluvaHoax:

Yes, any meeting between Rinder or Rathbun and me would be a first.

I met them at different times when I was inside Scientology and we all worked openly for Hubbard. I did not work directly with them in the same Sea Org departments, and we did not have remarkable relationships at that time. I knew Rinder back on the “Apollo” in Europe, and I first met Rathbun, I believe, at the La Quinta, California base. Our relationships became remarkable when I blew, Hubbard declared me SP and fair game, and they were assigned as the executioners. That these remarkable relationships have continued over more than thirty years adds remarkableness.

We have not met since they started claiming that they opposed Miscavige, were telling the truth about their antisocial or criminal actions for Hubbard or Miscavige, and at least pretending remorse for their actions that created all their victim-victimizer relationships.

Well that’s not exactly true. Back in 1984, after my LA Superior Court trial, Rinder was claiming to be opposing Miscavige, claiming to be telling the truth about antisocial or criminal actions inside Scientology, and claiming to be afraid of fair game and wanting to end it; and we met at that time. Rinder and his phony group, the “Loyalists,” were claiming that things were so antisocial and criminal inside that they wanted to take control from Miscavige, indeed get him criminally prosecuted.2 Rathbun was then running Rinder as a “Loyalist,” but we did not meet.3

I have written about my meetings with the “Loyalists” in a number of declarations, and testified about them in a number of legal proceedings. This is from a February 20, 1994 declaration, which was filed in the Scientology v. Fishman and Geertz case:

There were many times during this period when I considered the possibility that I was walking into a trap. The thought arose in all my meetings with [David] Kluge, and later with Mike Rinder, the second Loyalist I would meet. Their communications often didn’t jibe with what they or Sherman had said on earlier occasions, and sometimes they said things which were downright stupid.

[…]

My first meeting with Kluge was in a cemetery in Glendale. I met him two more times in early November at different locations in Griffith Park, and then met with Rinder two times in late November at two more locations in the park.

[…]

Finally the Loyalists said that their legal expert would meet me and a rendezvous was set up, again in Griffith Park. The “legal expert” turned out to be Mike Rinder, a person I had known in the organization, who had held various lower level administrative posts. Rinder, it turned out, also professed ignorance of legal concepts, and my meetings and communications with him were even more frustrating.

[…]

During my cross-examination in the spring, 1985 trial of Julie Christofferson v. Scientology, Circuit Court of the State of Oregon, Multnomah County, No. A7704-05184, the organization broke the fact that Sherman, Kluge and Rinder had been covert operatives, the Loyalists were invented, and that my meetings with Kluge and Rinder had been videotaped. The organization called the whole more than two year affair the “Armstrong Operation.” Organization lawyers, Earle Cooley and John Peterson, claimed the Armstrong operation had been authorized by the Los Angeles Police Department, and they produced a letter dated November 7, 1984, a copy of which is appended hereto as Exhibit [B], signed by an officer Phillip Rodriguez, directing organization private investigator Eugene M. Ingram to electronically eavesdrop on me and Michael Flynn.

On April 23, 1985, Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl F. Gates issued a public statement, a copy of which is appended hereto as Exhibit [C], denying that the Rodriguez letter was a correspondence from the Los Angeles Police Department, denying that the Los Angeles Police Department had cooperated with Ingram, and stating emphatically that all purported authorizations directed to Ingram by any member of the Los Angeles Police Department are invalid and unauthorized. On information and belief, the officer, Phillip Rodriguez, who signed Ingram’s letter was paid $10,000.00 for his signature.

Also on information and belief, following a Los Angeles Police Department Internal Affairs Division investigation and a Police Department Board of Rights, Officer Rodriguez was suspended from the Los Angeles Police Force. Eugene Ingram had himself some years before been drummed out of the Los Angeles Police Department. He is reputed to have been busted for pandering and taking payoffs from drug dealers. He is a liar and a bully who has been involved in organization intelligence operations against its perceived enemies for many years. During the period I was involved with the Loyalists Ingram called me at my home and threatened to put a bullet between my eyes.4

The Scientologists and their collaborators have continued to use the poison fruits of Rinder’s meetings with me, which were illegally videotaped, to fair game me. Rinder, et al. also manufactured poison fruit to poison the whole world about me. In this February 22, 1994 declaration, which was also filed in Fishman, I was responding to cult head Miscavige’s personal use of his poisonous fruits:

Mr. Miscavige states that I advise one of his covert operatives to accuse the organization of various criminal acts and when I am told that no evidence exists to support those charges I respond to “just allege it.” (Miscavige Dec. p. 32, l. 5 – l. 8) “Better Basket” describes something of the context in which I make a statement differentiating between “allegations” and “proof.” The operative I’m talking to is Mike Rinder. Before this meeting I had already, on request of the “Loyalists,” provided them with a “bare bones” draft of a complaint. Complaints contain allegations. Complaints do not contain proof. Rinder, who had been represented to me as the Loyalists’ “best legal mind” couldn’t seem to get the distinction between allegations and proof in the complaint, and I was frustrated in our conversation because he seemed so dense. Now, of course, his denseness is fully understandable. He had to appear stupid and had to deny that there was any “proof” of the sort of allegations that would be made in a complaint because he knew he was being recorded on a videotape which was going to be used to attack, and if possible destroy me. Even what the organization has done to me alone (see, e.g., crimes listed by Judge Breckenridge and the list in paragraph 7 above) is enough for actual true-hearted reformers to bring a lawsuit to take control of the organization from the criminals now in charge.5

This past October, someone on Rathbun’s blog posted the same Rinder-Miscavige just-allege-it line, and I wrote a response:

The Scientologists and their collaborators have been using this statement out of context for black PR purposes for over thirty years. They have used it into the US Congress, into the US Intelligence Community, into the IRS to get their unlawful and undeserved tax exemption, into court cases, into media, into governments around the world. They still use it.

The person I was talking to when the “allege it” words were used was Mike Rinder. Below are excerpts from two declarations I wrote in 1994 to provide the context and facts.

Just like Rathbun, Rinder has never told the truth about this covert operation, known as the Armstrong Op.1 Just like Rathbun, Rinder has never come clean or told the truth about what he did in service of Hubbard and Miscavige to victimize good people who stood up to his cult’s lies and predations. Just like Rathbun, Rinder has never corrected the vicious black propaganda he generated and disseminated, and had others disseminate.

Just like Rathbun, Rinder’s black PR continues. They are both black propagandists. Rinder was Rathbun’s editor for his 2013 book that continues the criminal framing of my attorney Michael Flynn and me.

Just like Rathbun, Rinder has shown zero remorse for the evil he did in service of Hubbard and Miscavige. Instead, just like Rathbun, Rinder has carried on bullying. Just like Rathbun, Rinder has tried to become the opposition to Scientology, just as he claimed to be during the Armstrong Op. He and his co-conspirators claimed they knew Miscavige is a criminal and they wanted to get him jailed and Scientology reformed.

All the support and kudos Rinder has received as a whistleblower and as someone “bringing down the cult” is disgusting. If he really wanted to bring it down, or correct injustices, or confront Miscavige, he would tell the truth about all the victimizing he did or knows about, all the lies he told, all the injustices he perpetrated. Just like Rathbun, he hasn’t.6

I think it’s correct to classify it as cosmic irony that the truth Rinder was pretending to be telling in 1984, but, truthfully, lying about, is precisely the truth he is pretending to be telling, but truthfully not, in 2016: fraud, crimes, abuses, rights violations, in fact hate crimes, fair game he knows about. If he had been truthful back in 1984, thirty-two more years of fraud, crimes, abuses, rights violations, misery, threat, etc. could have been avoided. Millions of years of human lives would not have been wasted. He possessed enough truth no later than 1984. After that, he only learned more truth of more fraud, crimes, abuses, rights violations, misery, threat, etc. At no time did Scientology work as advertised, for him or anyone else. He never encountered one fact that justified the fraud, crimes, abuses, rights violations, misery, threat, etc. His thirty plus years of effort to find or manufacture justifications is more fair game.

Even now, the fraud, crimes, abuses, rights violations, misery, threat, etc. could be stopped. The clear conclusion is that Rinder and Rathbun wanted their positions where, with the millions extracted from defrauded people, they could commit crimes against people, abuse them, violate their rights, cause them misery, threaten them, control them. They had to hire conscienceless PIs and lawyers, not conscienceful ones. Rathbun and Rinder needed the cult conspiracy to survive so they could have those positions and power. Rinder says he took fifty to a hundred beatings from Miscavige, just to be able to keep doing his job. Twenty years of his job, he says, was running OSA, a key component in the criminal conspiracy against persons and rights. He had to have been uptone and winning on post all those years. Fair gaming people, conspiring against their persons and rights, punishing people, was a game to Rinder.

The argument I had for Rinder in 1984 to his lie that there was no proof is also cosmically ironic:

Even what the organization has done to me alone (see, e.g., crimes listed by Judge Breckenridge and the list in paragraph 7 above) is enough for actual true-hearted reformers to bring a lawsuit to take control of the organization from the criminals now in charge.

It is true today. Even what Rinder, Rathbun, Miscavige, et al. have done to me alone is enough for true-hearted people to take control of the organization from the criminals now in charge.

Yet another item in this cosmic irony, and historic irony as well, is that I was the guy in 1984 who was asking Rinder for the truth, and not accepting his lies that he had told it. Same thing in 2016; here I am asking him for the truth, and not accepting his lies that he has told it. I had to deal with his 1984 lies, and write about them, and I’m still dealing with them, and dealing with thirty-two more years of his lying, and, as I’m doing now, still writing about it all.

Just as in 1984, and in the intervening years, there are all sorts of people now who support Rinder lying and not telling the truth. Certainly David Miscavige supports these actions or inactions, just as he did in 1984. All Scientologists, Miscavigeite or Nonmiscavigeite, appear to want what Rinder has been delivering: not telling the truth — the truth, that is, which would foster justice and reconciliation. He also has his supporters among avowed wogs, just as he had from 1984 forward. It is probable that there are even wogs who support him not telling the truth, but aren’t aware that he is serving the Miscavigeite Scientologists’ malignant purposes toward their victims. Perhaps some wogs find this reality that Rinder is still serving these dastardly purposes unconfrontable.

In this modern era, in large part because of Loyalist Op One, however, since Rathbun and Rinder have been on Loyalist Op Redux, a meeting with them would be a first.

I would think that media could be interested in any revelation from Rathbun and Rinder about the criminal conspiracy they served and serve, just because of the unambiguous fact they have not revealed anything about it. Even what the conspiracy did and tried to do just to me, one of the world’s average SPs, is one hell of a story.

Media appear to be bullied or bamboozled into not taking up at all what Rinder and Rathbun did to their fair game victims, so a whole media event devoted to exploring that specific, and dramatic, topic would be a quantum first.

Actually, in My Scientology Movie, Louis Theroux asked Rathbun in the most general terms about his role in fair gaming people. Rathbun flashed out his menacing hate-hold beingness, and Theroux I think backed off, with, obviously, some good footage in hand.

Oh yeah, in 2011, Markus Thöß famously asked Rinder about me while filming him. This was not even about what Rinder had done to me, but just for his opinion of me as a past and present Scientology target. Including a long pause to gather his thoughts, everything Rinder would say was under thirty seconds.7 Then, apparently, not only dependent Scientologists but independent ones refused to talk to Thöß or help him with his documentaries if he related amicably to me.

In June 2015 at the Toronto Scientology event, Tony Ortega said that he had talked to Rinder “a little bit about the Gerry Armstrong operation,” and that he’d “like to write a story about that.” I did not pursue the matter, and if Rinder and Ortega did talk about me, it might have been quite a bit earlier. Here is a video clip with transcript from the brief exchange I had with Ortega:

GA: My question is really to Tony. And that is:

You have … you know, Rathbun is one of your sources. Rinder is one of your sources.  Two or three years ago, in speaking to me, you said, you know, “Be patient, I’m going to talk to these guys.” You probably you remember then.

TO: No, I didn’t.

GA: Okay. About the Gerry Armstrong case.

TO: Oh, right.

GA:  About their fair gaming of me…

TO: Yeah.

GA:  about acts against me, which, significantly, in this age, includes what they filed in the IRS. So my question is to you what have they said about this?

TO: Yeah. I have talked to Rinder a little bit about the Gerry Armstrong operation. I’d like to write a story about that . It’s … You have been very patient Gerry, and I’d like to get into that.

As far as Rathbun and the IRS, I agree with you. I think Marty Rathbun writing … because remember you know it was the October 1993 event that was featured in Going Clear where you see David Miscavige bragging about him and Rathbun walking into the IRS office. So if there’s anybody that should have some influence on peeling back that decision, you would think it would be Marty Rathbun.

I think Marty’s in a really interesting transition moment right now. He didn’t even come to New York for publicity on that movie. I think he’s got to the point now where he’s feeling a little overwhelmed and is backing…

I am having a hard time even getting him on the phone right now. So I think he’s having some… I think he’s rethinking exactly what his role is going to be. I think it would be great if he was to talk to the IRS.

The “two or three years ago, in speaking to me,” referred to communications Ortega and I had, almost all by email I believe, in the first part of 2013. He said he was going to talk to Rathbun and Rinder about their relationship with me, and it was clear he hadn’t by then. His talking to Rinder about what he understood to be the Gerry Armstrong operation had to be after that. 8

I had no further communication with Ortega concerning him talking to Rathbun or Rinder until I spoke up at the 2015 Toronto event and asked him what they had said about my litigation, fair game, the black PR to the IRS, etc.

In May 2013, of course, Rathbun published Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior, which Rinder edited, and which largely repeated the same lies and black PR about the Armstrong Operation they had disseminated as hardcore admitted Miscavigeite fair gamers.

Both Rathbun and Rinder know that there are significant falsehoods, omissions and semantic trickery in their account of the op in Memoirs. They also both know that in Memoirs and elsewhere they serve malignant Miscavigeite purposes toward their SP victims.

In March 2015, I wrote to Alex Gibney, Lawrence Wright and Paul Haggis, who, in a TimesTalks discussion called out Tom Cruise and John Travolta to get Miscavige to answer his accusers, and I asked Gibney, Wright and Haggis to call out Rinder and Rathbun to answer their accusers, inter alios, me. The issue, as stated by Wright in the discussion, is the same for me, “abuses that are going on inside Scientology.” Because the key abuses are going on outside Scientology by Scientology insiders, I state it differently, but I seek the same thing: the ending and remedy of the abuses. Gibney, Wright and Haggis were in a position to call out Rinder and Rathbun, and Rinder and Rathbun are in a position to do something effective, if they answered their accusers; that is, told the truth. Obviously Gibney, Wright and Haggis did not really want to get those abuses addressed, even the crimes that involved the US Government and resulted in the IRS tax exemption.9

I noted in my review of Steve Cannane’s recent Fair Game:

Although the book is about “fair game,” and Rinder is a major contributor to the book, there is no mention of his fair game against his victims. There is no evidence he was asked about such actions, no challenge to his assertion or intimation that he and the new regime did not engage in illegal activities, and no question of his aghastness.10

I have seen nothing in the Scientology and the Aftermath series so far that indicates Leah Remini has asked Rinder what he did to wogs like me. I have not seen where she reached out to any of his victims, except perhaps for John Sweeney who is a sort of beard victim for Rinder.

Remini and her researchers had to have known that his biggest longest victim was broadcasting, rather trenchantly, that Rinder had not told the truth despite my urging him to. She and her researchers had to know I was broadcasting, without a word of counter-argument from him, that he is still serving Miscavige’s purposes toward his victims. It seems to me that because of Remini’s at least asserted relationship with the Scientologists, Rinder had a legal duty to divulge to her the fact that he still serves these purposes, and that his black PR of good people on behalf of the Scientologists still abounds.

In Episode 3,11 Remini did ask him the ultimate softball question about his past actions, and, although he lied (which used to be taboo in PR) his “no-answer” is revealing.

LR: Have you made peace with all of it? Like all the stuff that you did?

MR: In general terms yes. It, it still, if I come across someone, an individual who has an individual story and they say, “Well did you know that X, Y and Z was happening? Or this happened to me? Or that happened to me?

Often times, I have no personal involvement or knowledge of what it was that happened. But still I’m sorta like–

LR: You feel somewhat responsible?

MR: Yeah, exactly.

LR: Yeah.

MR: I feel like I, I owe them an apology. But interestingly, for the most part, not a single person has ever been bitter like ah,

LR: Yes. I understand what you’re saying. Like towards, like you, “You f-ked me man.” You…

MR: Exactly. No, it’s like “Yeah, you were part of the, you were part of the same thing that I was a part of. And you know, I understand.”

I was part of Scientology like Rinder. I was part of the Sea Org like Rinder. And, I probably have as adequate an understanding of Scientology and the Sea Org as the next guy. Nevertheless, I speak up for justice and for truth. My understanding, in fact, leads me to oppose Rinder and expose him for not being responsible, and for continuing to victimize good people for base reasons.

I was not part of the same criminal conspiracy Rinder was, and is, part of. It is not necessary to be part of a criminal conspiracy, of course, to understand it.

It is interesting that none of Rinder’s victims are bitter. By this he acknowledges that they are astonishingly good people. They are nonetheless his victims. There is no need for bitterness even when someone victimizes you for more than thirty years as Rinder has victimized me. There is no need for bitterness to pursue truth and justice even if Rinder refuses to give. There is no need for bitterness to stand up to, call out, debunk, and even censure him.

Remini did state that she wanted to help the Scientologists’ victims, and she lamented that she had no way. If Mike Rinder told the truth — not the scripted, generalized, post-truth truth12 that she facilitated – a lot of victims would be helped. There is hardly any cost involved. It will bring about reconciliation. Because of her stated desire, she might use her celebrity megaphone and status to get him to do the right and honest thing.

It appeared to me that Remini was sincere in her intentions and her relationship with the Scientologists, and she was not aware that Rinder was zooming her. She did acknowledge being zoomed for years by Scientologist liars, and then realizing they were lying; so maybe she will get she’s still being zoomed by the same liar. “I ran OSA for twenty years,” “I have no personal involvement or knowledge of what it was that happened,” Zoom. About his victims: “I feel like I, I owe them an apology.” If he apologized to all the people he owed an apology to, he wouldn’t feel like he owed one. An apology without truth, of course, is scorn. An apology without justice is sadism.

There is a huge difference between the knowledge an insider like Rinder had and the knowledge a non-insider like Remini had. His hat and job included lying to her and keeping her ignorant of the criminal conspiracy in which he operated. She did not have the hat and job of keeping him ignorant. He is still keeping her ignorant of his conspiracy against persons and rights.

The millions Remini forked over to the Scientologists paid Rinder and OSA’s wages and hired them conscienceless PIs and attorneys to fair game wogs like me. Rinder knew but she didn’t. He used her celebrity as cover for his fair gaming and as a lure for more celebrities and more money to keep fair game working.

To his victims, who know he has not reached out to them, or told the truth to them, or done anything to make them whole, or lifted a finger to end ongoing injustices, or correct black PR, he comes across not just as a liar but a bully. Because of his inaction for his victims, when he claims that he ran fair game and that when someone was to be destroyed he did it, he comes across like a thug gangster boasting. Rathbun on many occasions sounds the same. Without telling the truth and helping his victims, Rinder benefiting now from all his victimizing smacks shamelessly of Son of Sam. In his role in the Aftermath series, without coming clean, he stinketh.

So the story of Rathbun and Rinder’s relationships with me is virtually untouched by the media. Yet it involves a criminal conspiracy against persons and rights and reaches into principalities and powers. Rathbun, Rinder, and their superiors — Hubbard and Miscavige — occupied high places and engaged not just in secular lawfare or wordly persecution but in spiritual wickedness. They all sought power, grabbed power, flowed power to power, and used their power for evil, the destruction of good people. Although my relationships with Rathbun and Rinder are long and complex, require a lot of reading and understanding, including legal documents, if they are to be understood, and although these remarkable relationships are desecrated by disinformation and other social engineering actions and black PRed as repulsive or toxic, they are a real opportunity for a smart writer or filmmaker who can parse byzantine intelligence campaigns and stand up to fairly sophisticated material and spiritual villainy.

Funny, sort of out of the blue, on Christmas Day Markus Thöß emailed me and said that NOBODY is willing to talk about Rinder as OSA boss, and everybody is hiding behind fatuous excuses for his ongoing, unforthcoming, Miscavige-serving actions. Thöß has been making documentaries for several years on a number of Scientology-related deaths and other topics, and apparently has spoken to everyone imaginable to try to get them to talk about Rinder. Thöß stressed that NOBODY would speak out about what Rinder did — not Rinder himself, and not even me. “Somehow or other,” Thöß also got the false idea that I had no evidence of what Rinder had done.

Obviously, since Rinder is afraid, for whatever reason, to tell the truth about what he did while in the Miscavigeite conspiracy, it falls to others to do their best to tell it, and if others are really afraid to tell the truth, it falls to me. It is no secret that I have spoken out about what Rinder did, and I am as willing as ever to tell the truth I know. It would be better, I think, for a number of reasons if Rinder spoke up himself and detailed what he did, and I have urged him to do so and given him endless opportunities. Whether he ever does is in God’s Great Hands.

I have never itemized what he did or had done to me, but I have identified certain areas or times in our relationship that are factually significant, and I have overwhelming evidence of antisocial and criminal actions of his when he openly worked for Hubbard and Miscavige. I also have a stack of the black, uncorrected, unrepented propaganda he spreads in service of their criminal purposes and conspiracy. I don’t think I ever had seen Rinder’s time as OSA head pinned down as precisely as Steve Cannane got it in Fair Game a few months back.

Shortly after being involved in the cleanout of the Guardian’s Office, Rinder became the head of the new Office of Special Affairs. It was a position he would hold for close to 20 years.

[…]

By early 2004, Mike Rinder had fallen out of favour with Scientology’s leader. According to Rinder, Miscavige was upset at how he and other Scientology executives handled a special New Year’s event.

The GO cleanout was over in 1983, meaning Rinder’s claimed or reported stretch as OSA head was until 2003. He would have been let into the conspiracy by 1983, maybe earlier. His status in the conspiracy changed in 2003, as it has changed many times over the years, but his participation in the conspiracy, to the extent of serving its malevolent purposes toward its victims, has continued to this day.

Thöß said that the truth needs to be told about Rinder, and other similarly placed insiders, who, Thöß observes, tell little bits but never tell the whole truth. So there is this scintilla of media interest in what Rinder did to his victims. Now that he has been able to parlay his career criminally victimizing people into documentary stardom, there might be a smart, courageous journalist or filmmaker who dares to ask. Obviously, a bigger-they-are syndrome could also be in play and out of everyone else’s hands in Rinder’s, and Rathbun’s, and Miscavige’s relationships with their victims and their admiring publics.

The media can get interested and write about Rinder and Rathbun’s relationship with me without them ever having to meet me. Mark Bunker or other media people can communicate any time with ideas, questions, etc.

There could be a place for public meetings or debates or filming, and, without seeing a proposal, I have no opposition. In 2013, I did get, I’d say, Rathbun’s agreement to debate me, but he rabbited after I submitted my opening statement. The debate was not about his fair gaming me, however, but concerned his antisocial vilification of the Suppressive Person class and misrepresentation of the SP doctrine in Memoirs.13

I am not going to enter the US until I know that any orders for my arrest have been cancelled or a smart, honest attorney takes my case and we challenge the existing court orders.

I am free to meet anywhere in Canada, or perhaps somewhere in Europe. Germany probably deserves a debate between Rathbun and Rinder and me, and definitely deserves to know the details of the fair game actions they took in the country during their time as international conspiracy bosses. I did talk about their relationship with me to a group of people in Berlin in 2011. 14

Maybe the Russians would be up for hosting such a public media event. They have shown a continuing interest in my experiences and knowledge generally, and my relationship with Hubbard; but have not gotten into my relationship with Rathbun and Rinder, the “independents,” and what presents in the American milieu as the opposition to Scientology. The Russians should have an interest because of the IRS fraud, the human rights violations, the US Intelligence Community’s knowledge of Scientology crimes and human rights violations, religious freedom, religion serving the US’s intelligence interests, State Department complicity, the black propaganda, Rathbun and Rinder’s Department 20 goals and functions inside and “outside,” and the list goes on. It is with good reason that the US is known today as the Scientology of nations.

For language and cost considerations, however, I suggest Canada, and further suggest Vancouver, BC.

Meeting up with Rathbun or Rinder for a media event is not, however, what my focus or goal necessarily is regarding them, or rather what broadly I am suggesting to them.

Where their words are requested is in a legal proceeding in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. That is, their words would be sworn to, so they would understand the truth being asked of them. Ideally, their words should be in answer to well-formulated questions from persons who understand evidentiary matters and the relevant legal issues. So probably smart, courageous attorneys.

I already know a great deal about what was done to me during the periods when Rathbun and Rinder say they ran fair game for Hubbard and Miscavige, and I have documented much of that. I have an understanding of their public statements since claiming to no longer be fair gamers for Hubbard or Miscavige, and I can access much of the public record they have made. I know what to ask them to get the details of their attitudes, intentions and actions, and would be as able as anyone to discern truth or lies in what they say.

I necessarily must concentrate on Rathbun and Rinder’s fair game on me, black PR about me, legal matters concerning me. For everyone, however, Scientology is ripe for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I’ll write something about this separately.

Rathbun and Rinder’s legal and extralegal fair game on me is not at all just personal. Key matters in this long campaign are of great public concern; e.g., the IRS tax exemption, the International Religious Freedom Act, the ongoing suppression of human rights on a massive scale. Their actions toward me concern others, and the truth that they can tell has the potential to free other people, even Scientologists. They are both fully aware that their not telling the truth keeps people trapped, to some degree in their control. 15

I am simply asking Rinder and Rathbun to tell the simple truth, the time, place, form and event of what they did and had done to me and their other SP targets. That is a debrief, which Rinder and Rathbun are familiar with. They have debriefed others and been debriefed themselves many times.

Consider that they debriefed to Miscavige untold times about what they did and had done to me, their victim, and their other victims, but they will not now debrief to the victims or to help the victims. Rathbun and Rinder know what “time, place, form and event” means, and have probably demoed it a dozen times. They still serve Miscavige and they know it and justify it. They bamboozled people inside and they’re bamboozling people outside.

In a way, because of the antisocial or criminal nature of their history that they are being asked to debrief about, which has been in service of criminal, sadistic masters, this would be to Rathbun and Rinder a lot like spies going over to the enemy side and debriefing to the enemy they had previously spied on, vilified, attacked and tried to destroy.

If those spies do not go over to the enemy and do not debrief to assist their victims or targets, those spies serve their former masters’ current purposes, which can be malevolent. That is the condition Rathbun and Rinder are in.

As you can imagine, a media event with media goals is less conducive to obtaining the truth and reaching reconciliation, than a simple interview room in which the truth is told and reconciliation starts. If that happens, media contacts and events logically follow.

But if anyone in the media wants to do something for Rathbun and Rinder’s victims, who are legion, before they tell the truth or debrief about all their victimizing, I would not object.

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Excusing Mike Rinder

CommunicatorIC;1125734: I never suggested that Gerry should stop wanting Mike Rinder to “tell the truth.” On the contrary, what I said was completely consistent with Gerry continuing to want Mike Rinder to “tell the truth.”  I said, “If Gerry didn’t like that, I would completely understand.”

I simply explained why it was unlikely to happen, and why I would advise Mike not to disclose details that would put his family, wife and child at risk.

I do not appreciate the implication that I am a psychopath (“psychopathic logic’), particularly based on a false and misleading premise.

There is no implication that you’re a psychopath. You should appreciate that I did not imply you’re a psychopath. Your non-appreciation is easily erased because you generated it for something unimplied.

Please also observe that I never said or implied that you suggested that I should stop wanting Mike Rinder to “tell the truth.”  What I said was:

I understand that there are many people who, like Communicator IC, do not want Rinder to do what I have asked him to do, and even, like this poster, advise him not to do.

What I have consistently asked Rinder for is to tell the truth. What I have consistently, in many public communications, said I wanted from Rinder is the truth.  I simply want him to tell the truth.1

What I wrote about psychopathic logic is the following:

In psychopathic logic, I am supposed to stop wanting him to tell the truth because he won’t, or hasn’t, or refuses. That isn’t the way such wanting works. One doesn’t want peace in the world, and then stop wanting it because there isn’t peace. In the choice between war and peace, I choose peace. In the choice between Rinder telling the truth or not telling the truth, I want the truth.

If you have any evidence that this is not an example of psychopathic logic, please post it. You misread or misparsed what I wrote. You do not identify any actual false or misleading premise. I have, however.

If despite your advice to him not to tell the truth, you actually, as I do, want Rinder to tell the truth, please say it. “Mike Rinder, tell the truth.”

Even if you include your excuse for him as a condition, say it. “Mike Rinder, unless it puts your family, wife and child at risk, tell the truth.”

If Rinder is not using his family, wife and child as human shields or human excuses to not tell the truth, then your excuse for him isn’t necessary or relevant and you can say to him unequivocally, “Mike Rinder, tell the truth.”

Obviously it is very important to determine if Rinder is indeed using imagined or mocked-up risk to his family, wife and child as his excuse for not telling the truth, and even for why he still black PRs good people for Scientology and in other ways participates in its criminal conspiracy against his victims. I will consider writing an open letter to him to find out if there is any actual nexus between his actions or inactions that serve the Scientologists malign purposes and risk to his family, wife and child.

I think this “risk” or threat from the wogs Rinder victimized to his family, wife and child is faked and pathetic. If there is a risk or threat from his victims should he ever tell the truth about his victims’ victimizing, then there must be the same risk or threat from his victims without his ever telling the truth. That is faked and pathetic. It is just the sort of scenario the Scientologists have gimmicked for decades to double-curve their victims.

The truth that Rinder can tell, and which I’ve been asking him to tell, is clearly important enough that so many people, you included, for perhaps untold reasons, don’t want him to tell it. Rinder telling the truth is important and dramatic enough that HelluvaHoax proposed making a movie event out of the first time it happens. Even though it’s the victim having to spend the time while the victimizer does nothing, I am grateful that Rinder’s relationship with me, and through me with his other victims, is being considered.

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An escape for the ages

It was thirty-five years ago today,
I blew the cult and there was hell to pay.

I was thirty-five.

Now over half my life I’ve been fair game.

I wrote this “official note of resignation” to Barbara DeCelle, my org board senior, knowing she would get it to “the proper person:” http://gerryarmstrong.ca/ga/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Letter-from-GA-to-Barbara-1981-12-12.pdf

The handwritten words “read” and the underlines were attorney Mike Flynn’s notes to himself for reading sections of the letter into the record at my 1984 trial in Los Angeles. Here’s trial testimony about the letter:

Q And if you had planned your departure, Mr. Armstrong, with the idea of harming the organization or Mr. Hubbard, would you have taken — what files would you have taken more than any other files?

LITT: Objection. That calls for speculation.

THE COURT: Overruled.

THE WITNESS: Well, I think if I had planned it, I could have made off with a lot of files that would be particularly more useful than the files I have.

But the MCCS files, certainly, would have been important. The — various LRH orders into the PR Bureau like, for example, the Nobel Prize stuff, these are things which would have been available to me.

I suppose I could have made great inroads in the Intelligence Bureau if I had been real eager. But I didn’t make off with anything. But the materials that could have been obtained would have been more revealing than the ones that are here now.

Q BY MR. FLYNN: Now, you have testified on cross-examination about the gradual removal of your belongings from the organization, a box at a time; do you recall that?

A Yes.

Q Was there a policy or practice in the organization that when a person tried to leave, to keep their belongings, for the organization to keep their belongings?

HARRIS: Your Honor, this is beyond the scope of cross-examination.

THE COURT: Well, it goes to state of mind, I suppose.

THE WITNESS: Yes; it happened with many people throughout the time I was involved in the organization. People were not allowed to leave with the personal Scientology materials in many cases. And all kinds of impediments would have been put in the way of me getting materials out, my own personal things. That was really the reason why the stuff went out a bit at a time.

Q BY MR. FLYNN: Now, exhibit 30 is your — what you termed your official notice of resignation dated 12 December, 1981; is that correct?

A Yes.

Q Now you stated in there that, “I spent the last several months trying to get Omar copied all the materials he would need and more stuff kept pouring in.”

What did you mean by that statement, “more stuff kept pouring in,” Mr. Armstrong?

A Well, right up to the end of my stay, I kept getting more material. The final boxes of the Pers Com arrived, the final Pers Sec materials arrived, the stuff from Controller archives arrived, and there was more than I could possibly copy.

Q Now these were materials that you had been trying to procure or obtain possession of for several months prior to that?

A Yeah. I guess the Controller archives — the only reason I did not have them months before that was that Tom Vorm told me that he was simply too busy to go through all the materials, so we waited until he had a time when he was more or less free. Then he went through the materials with me.

The Pers Com materials only arrived some time in 1981, and there was such a mass of them. They were in very big boxes and they were kept for a long time in the external communications bureau, the LRH external communications bureau in another building, and I brought them over a box at a time throughout that period until I finally had all of them there, but there was such a mass of then, there was simply no way to go through them all.

Q What was your state of mind with regard to your obligation to complete the project based on the agreement that Mr. Garrison had with PDK and that you felt you had with Mr. Hubbard with regard to getting him, Mr. Garrison, documents before you left?

A Well I felt very committed to that. That is the reason that I tried to get copied everything that I could, and my wife and I worked so hard in the last two weeks to try and do that.

Q And you didn’t take any files of any nature that fell outside the biography project and you could have taken the MCCS files; is that correct?

A Well I could have done that, but I did take financial — my own personal things, and that is actually when I went back in some time in February or — either January or February I saw Vaughn Young, and I realized that there was this file of all my copies, and the reason I took that was because basically on board the ship I had run into a problem with the organization in accounting for a disbursement which I had and the rule was laid down that if you didn’t keep a copy of your turned-in accounts, then you could be liable if the organization didn’t find it, and in that case I had to pay for the amount of the disbursement because the treasury bureau at that time had lost my accounting, so I had to pay again.

So, following that, I tried as much as possible to keep copies of all the money received and all ay accounting for that money. So I went back in and spoke to Vaughn and I took — it was only my copy. The organization had all the other documents and the accounting.

Q And per your letter of 12 December, 1981 you advised the organization, particularly Barbara De Celle, of the fact that you had taken those documents in the last several months and given them to Omar Garrison; is that correct?

A Yes. I also spoke to Barbara at the same time and told her the status of everything in archives.

Q And per this letter you asked that you not be harassed by the organization; is that correct?

A Yes.1

When I blew in December 1981, my note would end up pretty quickly with Hubbard. He was the proper person. It is inconceivable that Miscavige wouldn’t make the most of my blow with Hubbard, and everyone else.

Just three years earlier with my “Barnum and Bailey Beingness,” which he thought was joking, I’d caused Hubbard to blow his gourd. Now, after two years dutifully collecting and copying his personal archive and delivering it all to wog writer Omar Garrison, I’d blown his org.

December 1981 is when Hubbard would have started his torrent of hate-filled vitriol about me Jesse Prince identifies, which by the time Hubbard died would take up multiple bankers boxes.

What a trip!

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No, do it Mike Rinder. Tell the truth.

10th December 2016, 05:20 AM #41

CommunicatorIC

Re: Mike Rinder posted something important today

Originally Posted by programmer_guy

Mike made a general apology.
Gerry wants Mike (and others) to admit to specific details that can stand up in a court of law.

Which Mike cannot do without potentially exposing himself to civil and criminal liability — and thus threatening his family.

As I noted above, Mike cannot rely on any statute of limitations defense because of legal doctrines that suspend the running of the statute of limitations such as fraudulent concealment, equitable tolling, equitable estoppel, minority, incapacity, or simply being physically outside a particular jurisdiction.

My advice to Mike would be not to do it. If, hypothetically, I had a wife and child I would not endanger their futures and our family to do it.

If Gerry didn’t like that, I would completely understand. I would not, however, engage in an action that could threaten my family just because he is not satisfied with a “general” apology and wants “specific details that can stand up in a court of law.”

Honestly, I think that if Mike didn’t have a wife and child, then there *might* be some chance that Gerry would get what he wants. Given that Mike does have a wife and a small child, I think the probability of Gerry getting what he wants is precisely zero.

I understand that there are many people who, like Communicator IC, do not want Rinder to do what I have asked him to do, and even, like this poster, advise him not to do.

What I have consistently asked Rinder for is to tell the truth. What I have consistently, in many public communications, said I  wanted from Rinder is the truth.  I simply want him to tell the truth.

In psychopathic logic, I am supposed to stop wanting him to tell the truth because he won’t, or hasn’t, or refuses. That isn’t the way such wanting works. One doesn’t want peace in the world, and then stop wanting it because there isn’t peace. In the choice between war and peace, I choose peace. In the choice between Rinder telling the truth or not telling the truth, I want the truth.

Wanting him to tell the truth, as I do, can exist as a life choice and nothing is done about it. Like a million other choices perhaps we all have made over our lives. My wanting him to tell the truth only arose when he claimed to be doing so, and because I had real and legitimate reasons to want him to tell the truth. The Scientologists and their collaborators, clearly, do not want him to tell the truth.

I did act on what I wanted, of course, and he knew right after he started presenting as telling the truth that that was exactly how he could help me and so many other people. It was exactly what I was wanting from him. I did have a brief email exchange with him, which, because of recent events, I’ve assembled here: http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1919 I have not bothered him at all with correspondence.

I have communicated things that have helped keep alive the issue of Rinder not telling the truth, which at this time is serious.This obviously has upset the people who want him to not tell the truth yet be seen as telling the truth. But it’s fake upset, and the efforts to keep Rinder from telling the truth, and bestow celebrity status on him for telling the truth are perverse and logically puerile.

Although I want Rinder to tell the truth, and have made this known to him, I have also accepted that he probably won’t. I have long ago accepted his decisions to hate me, make me his enemy, black PR me, and side with the people who want me dead. I’ve accepted that all the Scientologists and their collaborators in the world hate me, consider me an enemy, and would welcome my death.

Despite accepting that Rinder, unless he has a Damascus Road moment, is not going to tell the truth, there is still a need to get the fact known that he is not telling the truth. The same was true with Hubbard: he didn’t tell the truth but claimed to be telling the truth; he was not going to start telling the truth, but there was still a need to get the fact known that he is not telling the truth. Fraud should be exposed, and Rinder’s pretense of telling the truth should be exposed just as Hubbard’s should be.

The truth has to be told in a way that means or does something toward reconciliation and justice, so his telling the truth to his priest or psychiatrist or his pillow or his personal demon wouldn’t suffice. The truth to be told is his experiences with and knowledge of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology corporations, organizations, and affiliated entities, and their officers, agents, representatives, employees, volunteers, directors, successors, assigns and legal counsel. (This is the language of what Rinder, et al. sought to silence me about by their contract1

Rinder knows exactly who and what needs to have the truth told about them. It is very simple. Nobody wants Rinder to tell the truth about what he said in his auditing sessions, or about his dreams, or about his wins. The truth he must tell, if truth be told, is his experiences and knowledge of fair game, what was done to wogs in furtherance of the criminal conspiracy against persons and rights in which he was a key member for many years.

That criminal conspiracy still exists. Rinder still serves its criminal purposes. He can only stop serving its purposes by telling the truth about it. Otherwise, he will, until his death, serve that diabolical criminal conspiracy. Scientolomerta. And that will be his legacy. Except for his desire to keep serving this conspiracy and keep the conspiracy working, the choice, I would think would be obvious.

It is this conspiracy against persons and rights that needs to be taken down, not Scientology or the Church of Scientology or some named corporation.

Rinder admittedly has his reason or reasons for not telling the truth. He had ample reasons for more than twenty years, he says, as Miscavige’s Fair Game IC. As I said, he knows what the truth is that he has reasons to not tell. This could be described as criminal and depraved actions planned or taken against members of the SP class, black propaganda, which is also depraved, and ongoing injustices and fraud. That is a huge and understandable, but completely unacceptable, reason not to tell the truth about it.

That is also the reason Communicator IC gives for advising Rinder to not tell the truth. What he should tell the truth about is so criminal, so depraved, so unjust and involves so much criminal fraud, in Communicator IC’s reasoning, he shouldn’t tell the truth about it. The details of Rinder’s fair gaming good people for Scientology — for pay, for prestige, which still serves him, and for fun and for joy, because he had to have been uptone about it all those years — are so criminal, so depraved, and so unjust and the fraud he promoted and defended with fair game so noxious, that telling truth about them would threaten his family, so Communicator IC says.

Obviously, what it will take for Rinder to tell the truth — even if the contemplation of the shame of it all is crushing, even if it might open him up to liability for his actions to someone, even if he is honoring a contract to not tell the truth and his coconspirators might murder him, even if he’s still on Miscavige’s payroll, and even if he hates me beyond human endurance — is courage. He should be encouraged to tell the truth and advised to be courageous, rather than encouraged to be cowardly, and provided spurious justifications for his continued cowardice. I think he should opt for courage. He certainly learned cowardice in Scientology in spades. His bluster, I think, is rooted actually in the Scientology cowardice condition, which makes it misplaced bluster. But perhaps all bluster is.

Now is the time for Rinder to get courageous, to do the right thing, and tell the truth that can free people – the truth about his experiences and knowledge of actions by the Scientologists and their collaborators against members of the SP class.

Communicator IC’s assertion that Rinder cannot tell the truth without potentially exposing himself to civil and criminal liability, which is provided as a lead-pipe justifier for advising him not to do so, is clarifying on three issues. 1. It acknowledges, finally, that Rinder has not told the truth. 2. It acknowledges that the truth to be told is relevant and important, and concerns criminal and tortious actions against victims; in this case me personally. 3. It acknowledges that Rinder could not have told the truth to the FBI.

I have seen it claimed that, since apparently leaving the Sea Org and presenting himself as telling the truth about his Scientology-related experiences and knowledge, Rinder, along with Mark Rathbun, has been to the FBI, talked to the FBI, been interviewed by the FBI. I have no actual knowledge of their “going to the FBI,” but there are multiple reports of them doing so. If Rinder had told the truth to the FBI; if the FBI had been the Constitution-obeying federal law enforcement entity it publicly purports to be, operating by its motto Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity, and not cowardly collaborating with the Miscavige-Rathbun-Rinder, et al. conspiracy against persons and rights; and if the FBI has not prosecuted him, which they have not, then there is zero risk that Rinder would face criminal liability if he told that truth to me or my lawyer.

Rinder and Rathbun do not merit the defense or excuse that telling the truth will expose them to criminal liability, when they are claiming they’re telling the truth to the FBI — of all law enforcement entities — without the slightest hint of criminal liability.

When the FBI got the truth of the Scientologists’ fair game actions against Paulette Cooper during the GO period, the FBI contacted Cooper. Since Rathbun and Rinder, after supposedly leaving the Miscavigeite sect, went to the FBI, and supposedly told all, which had to include their years of fair game actions against me, the FBI has not contacted me. I have reason to believe, in fact, that Rathbun and Rinder continued their adherence to the conspiracy line in their communications with the FBI, which included the continued black PRing and criminal framing of me.

I wrote last year about Rathbun and Rinder’s visits to the FBI since claiming to have left the Miscavigeite sect, and explained that it is a virtual certainty they did not tell the truth:

This scenario of Rathbun and Rinder talking to the FBI or going to the Feds has been brought up several times over the past few years. It is used as evidence of them doing the right thing, or how effective they are as critics, as it has been assumed that whatever they told the Feds helped the Scientologists’ victims.

In view of the known facts, however, this assumption is illogical. It is illogical to think that Rathbun and Rinder would lie about me in Memoirs, continue the criminal framing of me and Mike Flynn, black PR me and other persons he victimized, and yet tell the truth about what they did to fair game us to the Feds.

Rathbun went to the Feds all sorts of times while working inside the cult and in charge of fair game under Miscavige. Rathbun went to the Feds, and had others go to the Feds, about Flynn and me. Rathbun lied to the Feds then, and there is no reason to believe he is not lying to them now. Until he tells the truth to his victims about his victimizing them, his talking to the FBI is just like Kendrick Moxon talking to the FBI.

All the “Indies” talking to all the FBI had the effect of ending any investigation into the cult. All Rathbun’s followers would have black PRed me and others similarly positioned SPs to the Feds.

It must be understood, of course, that the Feds conspired with the Scientologists against the Scientologists’ victims.2 When Scientologist conspirators like Rathbun and Rinder talk to the Feds, they are talking to their coconspirators. The cure is the public exposure of the conspirators and breaking of the conspiracy, not the conspirators talking in secret. That keeps the conspiracy working, which appears to be Rathbun and Rinder’s purpose.2

If civil or criminal liability would exist should Rinder tell the truth, then it must exist now, without his telling the truth. Arrangements are very often made that provide immunities of various kinds if witnesses, or even participants in crimes, tell the truth about their experiences and knowledge, or allocate. Consequently, his telling the truth could actually reduce his criminal and civil liability. Therefore criminal and civil liability for telling the truth is not really a good excuse for Rinder not doing so, certainly regarding the Scientology v. Armstrong evils. In my case, the principal crime or offense against me is continuing, rendering statutes of limitation inapplicable, so Rinder’s liability increases every day he keeps serving his conspiracy’s purposes.

From the very earliest efforts I made to get Rathbun and Rinder to communicate to me, I have provided them with the best opportunity to tell the truth, to have it be meaningful, to put it to tremendous and dramatic use. It is disgraceful that people, presenting themselves as opposing the Scientologists’ malign purposes, advise Rathbun and Rinder to not take this golden opportunity, and smear the very person with whom the opportunity exists. Advising Rinder to not tell the truth but keep serving the Scientologists’ malign purposes serves the same people’s same purposes.

Communicator IC forks up a strawman that it’s my satisfaction that weighs or argues against endangering Rinder’s wife and child and family. I had never used, relied on or referred to my satisfaction in any of my requests to Rinder or arguments to anyone that he tell the truth. My satisfaction is unrelated to Rinder telling the truth. Reconciliation, justice, peace, honor, in fact the elimination of an endangerment to his child, wife and family — those are on the other side of Rinder growing a spine and telling the simple truth, not my satisfaction.

Legal and social issues relating directly to the truth of Rinder’s experiences and knowledge also exceed and transcend my satisfaction, including, e.g., human rights; religious freedom; contracted religious silence; a light on black propaganda; the IRS crimes;  those who would act in concert with me. It is completely understandable that the Scientologists and their collaborators do not want Rinder to tell the truth, because it would affect, and could correct these issues. They do not want the Scientologists’ criminally obtained and legally undeserved IRS tax exemption to be lost or challenged.

If child, wife or family endangerment is a factor, then it should be observed that Rinder endangered, and continues to endanger his children, wives and family by being Hubbard or Miscavige’s Fair Game IC for twenty years, committing acts that even Communicator IC says subject him to criminal liability. Now Rinder keeps adding his refusal to help his victims, as does Rathbun, when he could have done so much with nothing more than the simple truth, all of which will be the legacy he leaves his children.

What a burden on them also to discover that their father used them as his excuse not to help his victims, not to end injustices. Rathbun also has been using his wife and child as human shields for much the same purpose and his supporters too validate that use.

The Scientologists and their collaborators seek to present my relationship with Mike Rinder and Rathbun as one of equal opponents equally empowered, equally right, and equally deserving of public scrutiny and criticism. If this can be accepted, of course, my few requests of both of them to communicate to me and tell the truth can be made to sound unfair. After all, they are not requesting that I  speak up and tell the truth about their and their fellow Scientologists’ fair gaming of SP class members.

Even though I see the equality, and also the unity, of all Homo sapiens, however, the clear relationship this past thirty-five years is of victimizer and victim. It is our essential equality that makes this unholy relationship of victimizer and victim what it is.

As can be seen, I did not know that Rinder was targeting me until 1985 when the Scientologists proclaimed the shocking truth that he was conning me about being my friend, about understanding where I was coming from, and about coming to me for my assistance, because he and his “Loyalists” sought fairness, truth and justice.

Rinder knew that he was targeting me from the first minute he knew I had left, which was thirty-five years ago today. Through every minute of his OSA career he targeted me. I had no idea. I did nothing about him.

I naturally testified as necessary thereafter about what had been revealed in 1985 of what he had done, but that was only because he had done it and it was relevant in various legal proceedings

Rinder had the whole OSA apparatus and used it to sue me, black PR me around the world, frame me, bankrupt me, stalk me, op me, threaten me, betray me, destroy my relationships, get me enjoined and sentenced to jail, and drive me to the edge of death, all in execution of his conspiracy’s criminal purposes and programs. I had no such apparatus, and did none of those things to Rinder.

Rinder and his fellow Scientologists and their collaborators have sought for thirty-five years, and paid millions of dollars, and corrupted courts, to silence me. I never tried to silence him or them. In fact it is quite clear that I urge them to communicate.

Rinder, et al. seek to have me jailed and fined for truthfully expressing my sincere religious experiences and knowledge. I don’t seek to have them jailed, but seek to have them truthfully express their sincere religious experiences and knowledge.

In last week’s Scientology and the Aftermath program, Rinder said:

Part of my job was to discredit and destroy critics who spoke out against the Church. If the Church believed that someone was an enemy and needed to be silenced or destroyed, it was my job and I did it.

[…]

I was the guy.

I feel bad about the people who got hurt as a result of my actions. But I feel it’s important to tell the truth of what really goes on behind the scenes. What really is happening in Scientology.

I had no such job to destroy Rinder.

Rinder’s conjunction “but” is confusing here, but his implication is clear that because he says telling the truth of what really goes on behind the scenes in Scientology is important, he must be telling such truth. Obviously he is not telling such truth; or there would be no need to advise him to not tell the truth or supply him with justifications to keep him from telling the truth. What really goes on behind the scenes is the criminal conspiracy against persons and rights in which Rinder has been such a key conspirator.

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Reaching Mike Rinder

This brief email exchange I had with Mike Rinder in April 2014 is helpful for understanding the history and current state of our relationship.

On April 4, 2014, I emailed Mike Rinder:

Dear Mike:

You doubtlessly already know all this, and for repeating myself I apologize. Graham Berry posted on Facebook about you and Marty Rathbun not assisting victims of the fair game you both knew about, and then Graham seemed to blame me for your non-assistance to the other people in our class. I’m not on FB, so I posted a response on my own blog. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1108

I apologize for not sending the link sooner.

There was also a brief discussion on WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/gerry-to-graham-berry-on-honey-tech.117711/

I sent Marty the same message.

Patiently as always,

Gerry

On April 7, Rinder emailed back that he didn’t see anything by Berry, but doesn’t really look. Rinder said that Berry reposts some of his blog articles, and that is about all Rinder sees. He said he doesn’t go looking for what people say about him and doesn’t have much interest in it. He said that what they’re saying ranges from him being the devil to being a superhero. He said he just does what he does and what he thinks is right and pretty much ignores anything else. He said to excuse him for not reading whatever it is that I wrote, it’s not personal, he just don’t have time.

Because Rinder had, admittedly perhaps inadvertently, cleared me of the charge that I was to blame for his and Rathbun’s non-assistance to the people they had, as Graham Berry said, “damaged and/or destroyed by OSA’s intimidation, litigation and defamation activities,” I posted this article, which contains the full text of Rinder’s email: http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1128

On April 7, I emailed Rinder:

Thank you, Mike. Because of your policy of not reading whatever I write, and because of the social and legal issues involved in our relationship, I will respond publicly. I will say that I am surprised, even though when I consider it I suppose I should not have been surprised. This is like talking to you in Griffith Park in 1984. You had to pretend to be so ignorant of things.

I also take what you have written as a license to post your email as well.

Not looking, not reading, ignoring, and not having time to look, read or stop ignoring is the Scientology condition that is rather instantly resolved. It reminded me of your admission recently that you have never read what Russell Miller wrote  — you doubtlessly didn’t have time then either – yet you kept right on black PRing and fair gaming him and what he wrote for 20 plus years. Oops, it’s still hard to keep in mind that you won’t read this.

Visibly,

Gerry

On April 07 Rinder emailed that, well, I seemed to have the view that my writings are terribly important and everyone should read them. He said that he doesn’t share that view. He asserted that on the other hand I obviously read every word he writes anywhere. He said that any effort to be civil to me is responded to with antagonism. He said that he won’t bother trying to be civil again. He stated he didn’t give me license or permission to do anything.

On April 7, I emailed Rinder:

Dear Mike:

I assume that you call what you emailed me an “effort to be civil to me.” Have you made other such efforts to be civil to me that I am not aware of; because I am aware of zero efforts by you to be civil to me.

If this is your very first effort to be civil to me, how on earth can you know that any effort to be civil to me is responded to with antagonism?

You’re completely wrong, of course, but I would like to hear your reasoning. And if there really are other instances when you efforted to be civil to me, because, as I said, I am aware on none.

One effort to be civil to me in 30 years of suppressive generalities and other forms of fair game toward me can hardly be used to support your black PR that any effort to be civil to me is responded with antagonism.

Factually, you were not being civil in the sense of being polite. You were being disparaging and cruel.

To the disparaging and cruel, their victims’ communications are very commonly disparaged as antagonism. You’re at cause Mike. You mean to be mean. You might consider losing it.

Antidisparagingly,

Gerry

On April 8, I emailed Rinder:

Dear Mike:

You say that you did not give me license or permission to do anything, but I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

I had written: “I also take what you have written as a license to post your email as well.”

Your inimical, contemptuous communication contained within it the implicit license to me to do what I want with your email, because we are enemies. In reality, your communication only confirmed the inimical condition you were in with me. It did not cause the condition.

A communication from you could end the condition. In fact communication is what I want from you, just as I want it from Marty. I want you both to communicate about the Scientology v. Armstrong injustices and black PR over 32 years. I will know the communication that ends the condition, and neither of your two emails to me is it.

It is like you posting Miscavige’s text messages, or posting any Scientologist’s emails about Scientology. They’re the enemies. You’re my enemy, and obviously you serve Miscavige’s malevolent purposes toward me. You would possibly deny being my enemy, and might even suggest we’re on the same side, just as you did in 1984. But you are my enemy, just as you were then. You could stop serving those purposes, and I will know when this happens too.

You chose me as your enemy and fair game victim many years ago. You cannot logically blame your choice on me, even though you Scientologists do so illogically. Your emails are two more, albeit petty, acts of fair game. But then a lot of fair game is petty, banal and juvenile, isn’t it.

Acutely,

Gerry

Rinder did not respond to either of these emails, and we have had no further correspondence.