Your message “Where Is Heber?” inspired me to write. He’s my ex-stepfather-in-law, of course, and we go back to the 70’s, about as long as you and I go back.
I wanted to communicate civilly, because it is important to me that something be done about the Scientology v. Armstrong, et al. war. Lies maintain the war. You remember, I’m sure, when I spoke to you about your black PR, saying to me that you — meaning you, Miscavige, Scientology, the attorneys, the PIs, et al. — were going to keep right on black PRing me until I shut up. Okay, I’ll shut up and you start your message:
WHERE IS HEBER?
by Mike Rinder
After watching the AC 360 series many have wondered: “Where is Heber?”
Not me. I wondered, and outright asked, “Where is an honest Scientologist?” LFBD
And I again ask, where is an honest Scientologist? LFBD
Or at least, where is a Scientologist courageous enough to want and seek to be honest? LFBD
A Scientologist could start off as a fully loaded liar, I suppose, and then start throwing the lies away on a gradient, or lie-by-lie, when, for example, confronted with a lie, or reminded of a lie. I think though that conducting a mental examination for the lies in the load and getting rid of them en masse, or at least getting rid of chunks or chains of lies, is probably the process by which both homo sapiens and homo scientologicus get honest, if getting honest is possible. I think of the Damascus Road when imagining some Scientologist getting honest.
In any case, I’m asking where’s an honest Scientologist? And I’m asking you, Mike, and every Scientologist. Heber seems about as unlikely to be the first honest Scientologist, as Tommy Davis or David Miscavige. But the invitation goes out to Heber as well, and Davis and Miscavige.
To be honest, I realize, a Scientologist would have to be reborn as a wog, or somehow successfully make it through to the wog state or species. Being an honest wog, the person, naturally, couldn’t be an honest Scientologist, which, so far has been shown to be a perfect oxymoron. 8 million to 0.
Although they can’t be truly honest, virtually any Scientologists, I’m certain, while still Scientologists, can understand the concept of honesty, and understand what I’m looking and asking for.
Scientologists truly know, moreover, how to become honest, which is inarguably simple: just by dumping or shedding their load of lies. And Scientologists, I’m also certain, except, acknowledgedly, possibly the certifiably deranged, know when they’re lying. They know when they’re lying just as, acknowledgedly, virtually all uncertifiable wogs know when they’re lying. Scientologists, just like wogs, know when they’re adding to their lie load, know all the lies in the load, and know they’re all lies.
That means, Mike, I’m treating you as a knowledgeable equal. I’m not inviting pretended ignorance, although I’ll probably know it when I see it. It is principally Scientology in their lives that Scientologists are loaded with lies about, including Scientology’s effect on their lives and others’ lives. Because of this demonstrable fact, rejection of the entire subject from their lives is the most rational handling. It is, of course, reasonable to retain and employ Scientology, as I have, as a completely rejected subject.
His absence was magnified by who Miscavige did send forth as cannon fodder to respond to his crimes: four obviously rehearsed ex-wives who made fools of themselves by repeating lines given to them by Miscavige and received unanimous derision on the AC 360 blog; “Teflon” Tommy Davis who has been caught in more lies than Baghdad Bob and looks more and more like (dare I say this, after he made such a big point about me selling cars for a living) a sleazy used car salesman; and a bored, disinterested looking NON Scientologist tax attorney there to field the “tough” questions about Scientology tech and policy that Tommy couldn’t handle. As everyone knows, Heber is far more accomplished, competent and likeable than any of Miscavige’s new puppets.
At what is Heber far more accomplished? LF
Telling lies.LFBD F/N
In Heber’s and Tommy’s position, what were you accomplished at? LF
Telling lies. LFBD F/N
So you’re saying forked tongued and silver spoon mouthed Tommy Davis is far less accomplished at telling lies than the more silver tongued, and, yes, silver haired, Heber.
I’m sure that with your acknowledgement of Tommy as a lying failure, who’d been caught in a stack of lies, you were hoping that you’d be thought of as a more accomplished liar than Tommy. From your message, it’s pretty clear you hoped you’d be seen as closer to Heber in your lying accomplishment and competence, and your likeableness.
To be a competent liar, in the paradigm you’re positing, your lies would have to be accepted as the truth, or appear to be the truth, or at least not sound like outright lies. To be a competent liar for Scientology you couldn’t get caught in your lies, as you observe about Tommy.
If you’re a really accomplished liar, and, unlike Tommy Davis, don’t get caught in a load of lies, it’s likely you also come across as more likeable than he does. Heber’s either unwilling now to tell the required lies, or he’s being kept from telling them. That makes him perhaps more likeable, certainly to Scientology’s victims, than Tommy, who’s out here lying his forking tongue off.
I’m sure it seems to feel better to postulate that under Miscavige Scientology’s spokespersons have degraded or degenerated, or become less accomplished, less competent, and less likeable. But that is, I believe, a ridiculous proposition that has no real support in known facts and statistics.
It is abundantly clear that wogs’ knowledge of Scientology and Scientologists has increased, arguably dramatically, over the Heber-Davis and Hubbard-Miscavige periods. It has to also be evident that the number of wogs possessing and sharing that increased knowledge has increased.
I also believe it can be shown that the actual issues are being asked about more frequently, indicating an increasing understanding by more wogs of these issues. It’s also observable, I believe, that there’s an increasing intention and ability among many wogs to bypass Scientology spokespersons’ avoiding and cloaking of these actual issues.
Scientology spokespersons have always done what they could to hide and cloak the issues, of course, and all the reporter TRs give them the tech for that purpose. I’m sure you’d agree that Heber, besides appearing to be a far more accomplished and competent liar, also appeared far more accomplished and competent than Tommy at hiding, cloaking and avoiding the issues. Being able to avoid the actual issues certainly makes a spokesperson likeable to people who want the issues avoided, that is, their Scientology bosses.
Successful avoidance of the actual issues also means you don’t have to lie about them. Or at least you don’t have to continue to lie about the issues beyond the lies you told in order to get the issues avoided. Lying is often present during Scientologists’ efforts to avoid the issues, of course, because lying about the issue to be avoided is how most issues are avoided. Tommy’s walking out of an interview when asked about an issue – Xenu – without saying anything, is not an issue avoidance practice that will work for many issues with many interviewers.
Despite all Scientology spokespersons’ avoidance tech, however, disconnection is being probed. So are coerced abortions. So is Miscavige pummeling people. Tommy can’t now avoid these actual issues, because he has to talk to media people who know the issues, and some will probably have the courage to bypass his reporter TRs. Not being able to avoid the issues, Tommy can only lie: disconnection as such doesn’t exist; coerced abortions are voluntary; so’s the RPF; and Mr. Miscavige has never punched, kicked, choked, bashed, battered, beat, boxed, bruised, buffeted or butted anyone; in fact here are dozens of affidavits swearing that Mr. Miscavige is the most compassionate person in the universe and wouldn’t hurt a fly.
The most important issue that is beginning to be looked at and asked about, and I would argue is spreading into wog society consciousness, is the “Suppressive Person” doctrine. All the world’s Scientologists hiding, cloaking and avoiding the issue will not now keep the SP doctrine from being raised and probed, and probably pilloried for the indefensible evil it is. What do the most accomplished, competent and likeable Scientology reps do when an issue can’t be avoided? LF
They lie. LFBD F/N
Just like when Tommy can’t avoid the issue of Miscavige battering people. Tommy lies. F/N
I submit that your conclusion that Tommy (if you’re being honest in this matter) is far less accomplished, competent and likeable than Heber, or the ex-wives, Norman, Guillaume, Monique, or the other DM puppets as you call them, is erroneous. Tommy and the others are made to appear less accomplished, competent and likeable than prior spokespersons because wogs and wog society have advanced in their relationship with Scientology and Scientologists, whereas the Scientologists who interface with wogs have not advanced or evolved, but have been kept retarded.
I believe that if you went back to the cult, Mike, and were again the spokesperson, you would come across as a hopelessly unaccomplished, incompetent and unlikeable liar. I think the same is true of Heber if he was put back on post dealing with wog media.
The whole time you were Scientology’s spokesperson, I knew you were a liar, and of course a crumby cloaker and avoider of the issues. I’ve known from before I left the cult that Scientology’s spokespersons, Heber included, were willful liars, and bullies and manipulators in the service of monstrous men. But now there are millions of wogs with a clue, including people, in media and elsewhere, that Scientology’s spokespersons have to talk to.
I think there isn’t a devolutionary dwindling spiral in society, as all Scientologists postulate (making themselves, by the way, basic chaos merchants), but an evolutionary expansion. Relevantly, this is eminently observable in the field of human knowledge. Putting their efforts into being right about the dwindling spiral requires that the postulating Scientologists “experience” the dwindling. It has to be what’s true for them. They therefore ignore the overwhelming data supporting wogs’ evolution, wogs’ genius, and wog’s holiness, and project onto the wogs their own ignorance of the truth they ignored. Projection of the same chaos, and the same ignorance of the truth, onto the same people – all the wogs – is essential to performing the devotion called keeping Scientology working.
Another, and vital, devotion in Scientology, among all Scientologists, is projecting their most terrifying thoughts, the evilest of intentions they can, with all their mental tech and power, project, onto the class of wogs called SPs. I represent the SP class. The SP doctrine that creates by scripture the SP class, is in issue, Mike. So far, you’ve successfully avoided it.
In order to constantly “prove” that Scientology works (at reversing the dwindling spiral for them at least, or whatever) Scientologists constantly postulate, or project really, an increasing separation between themselves and wogs. In their postulated increasing separation, the Scientologists are becoming increasingly intelligent, able and powerful, and the wogs, not having LRH’s tech, and spiraling dwindlingly, are becoming decreasingly intelligent, able and powerful.
This mental mechanism of projection, which Scientologists call “clear” or “OT,” shields them, they’re taught, from acknowledging that all sorts of wogs are more intelligent, able and powerful than they are. The Scientologists also do what they can to shield themselves from acknowledging that some wogs have turned their excellent intelligence and ability to understanding Scientology and its actual issues.
No Scientologists acknowledge that wogs have their number, simply because it is impossible for Scientologists to be honest. The lie that wogs don’t have their number is one of the most numbing lies in Scientologists’ entire lie load. Consequently, Scientologists like you and Marty instead conclude, or project, that the cult’s current crop of spokespersons are less accomplished, competent and likeable.
So, where is Heber? Why isn’t he out there representing the C of M?
X – No read.
The answer is simple: Miscavige hates Heber. He has said many times that Heber portrays the wrong image of “his” Church. Heber is too old (but not too old to send to the Hole….). Heber doesn’t feel the need to dress like a window mannequin for Barney’s. Heber is “stupid”. And Heber knows too much. Unlike Teflon Tommy, who was never at Int, Heber has not only witnessed Miscavige brand physical and mental abuse ™, he has experienced it firsthand. Miscavige cannot afford to put Heber front and center because he might just tell the truth.
Okay, so it isn’t really because Miscavige hates Heber. It’s because Heber might just tell the truth. You’ve got it. It’s why Miscavige, and Marty, and you, and all Scientologists hate me: because I tell the truth about Scientology.
Now, will you tell the truth about Scientology’s ops, black PR, the hatred, the threats on me for all those years? Are you going to be the honest Scientologist? Or, since that hasn’t been possible, will you be an honest born again wog?
And I know how that goes – me having to lie to the BBC about Miscavige beating people was the straw that broke the camel’s back and I walked out while in London.
In your metaphor, you’re clearly the camel. You’d been loaded up with lies over time, and when one more was dumped on you to tell – about Miscavige beating people – your back broke.
Everyone knows now that your lie that Miscavige never beat you, or beat anyone, is a lie. But what are all the other lies in that load of lies under which you were lumbering, before that one’s added mass broke your back and you walked out in London?
Presumably, you’re talking about walking out from under the whole load of lies, not carrying them around with you with your broken back and all.
I’m serious, Mike. You were involved in intel ops against me, litigation fair game against me, and you loaded me down with a pack of your lies about me. You did it all, moreover, in the service of evil. So how about if you unload those lies from both of us?
(So much for me being removed from all positions of authority and kicked out by Miscavige when he found out all the terrible things I had done – I was the International Spokesperson for the Church and on the Board of CSI when I blew. It is true, I didn’t have a post – but then again NOBODY in management did, and it appears to be that way still as Guillaume Lesevre was presented at the “Barnum and Bailey” March 13th spectacle as “from International Management” rather than “ED International” because he hasn’t been on post for at least 5 years!).
That’s funny. Norman Starkey chairmanned a comm ev on me at WHQ in 1978, found me guilty of Joking and Degrading, confirmed Hubbard’s assignment of me to the RPF, and wrote in the Findings and Recommendations:
The shot was commentated by Jerry [sic]Armstrong who assumed the beingness of a Barnham [sic] and Bailey circus ring master, making the shot into a quality degrade.
Crimes Charge 1
Pleaded guilty. The Committee found him guilty. Gerry was the announcer in the shot and originated playing his part as a Barnham [sic] and Bailey circus ring master announcer which introduced and communicated a quality degrade of the shot.
Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however found him guilty of the charge due to his originating and introducing the Barnum and Bailey Beingness into the shot which brought about a joking and degrading communication of the Cine drills. Even though the the [sic] interested party stated that it was not his intention to communicate a joke/degrade of the shot and that he himself had made good gains from the drills themselves, the shot did communicate a Joke and Degrade and this is what caused the extreme upset to command.
What a pathetic excuse for command, for a leader of any kind, that he experienced extreme upset from a simple, cheerful video of a lighting drill he ordered. Or worse, if the sick and gutless wonder didn’t really experience extreme upset but just had his thuglet elementals report his extreme upset so he and they had a good reason and a golden opportunity to victimize good people. From reports I’ve read, Miscavige does the same thing, dramatizing extreme upset to victimize people and get others to victimize people.
Both Hubbard and Miscavige are Scientology leaders issuing and enforcing Scientology’s leadership policies. Having people, they use them. They’re users of people, as their Scientology scripture mandates. They’re real leaders, so, per their scripture, they consider their enemies, the SPs, need killing. Being real powers, Hubbard and Miscavige make Scientologists dependent on their power, and make those power-dependent Scientologists push more power to them.
Pursuant to their scripture, and by their orders and behavior, what Hubbard and Miscavige wanted or want from Scientologists includes more money, more ease, a snarling defense to their critics or the killing of their enemies. Being extremely upset, obnosisly, is not the more ease Hubbard and Miscavige are owed as “powers,” so these super sensitive dear leaders get to victimize the people who caused them the extreme upset. Hubbard and Miscavige also say in their scripture that they’d like their enemies’ properties conflagrated, or potentially the whole wog camp, conflagrated, as a birthday surprise.
Although their intention is the murder of their enemies, which Hubbard and Miscavige have made in spades, and the torching of their enemies’ encampments, these Scientology leaders have not been able to fully execute that intention, or get others to execute it. An important reason is that Hubbard and Miscavige are not the real powers they say they are. Miscavige is a not quite bright bully. Hubbard was a much brighter bully. They have bully power. But they are also pathetic and cowardly, and countless wogs have their number.
Even though their leaders are being clear bullies and cowards, however, not one Scientologist to my knowledge has ever communicated to Hubbard or Miscavige that the Scientologist wouldn’t kill their wog enemies for them, or burn their wog enemies’ camps, or hurt another in the Scientology cause. In fact, as you know, it is considered a point of honor among Scientologists to not fear hurting people in Scientology’s cause. Scientology’s cause, as you well know, is dishonest and unjust.
Heber bore the brunt of much of Miscavige’s ire over the years. I have seen Miscavige strike Heber on at least 10 occasions. Miscavige had dolls made in the likeness of Heber (and me). These were very elaborate reproductions that looked like ventriloquists dolls. Miscavige would make Heber sit with the doll on his lap and Miscavige would address himself to the doll instead of talking to Heber directly. This was to demonstrate the “fact” that Miscavige thought Heber “wooden” and “unresponsive.” (Anyone who knows Heber can attest to how ridiculous this is). It is all part of Miscavige’s Joking & Degrading and constant denigration of people around him, especially those he considered were some form of threat (and Heber’s popularity with staff and public was a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes).
I cannot believe that Heber’s popularity with staff and public was a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes. Heber was for years an accomplished and competent liar for Hubbard, and for even more years an accomplished and competent liar for Miscavige. It was Heber’s accomplished and competent execution of command intention to avoid issues and lie that made him likeable or popular with Hubbard’s and Miscavige’s staff and public.
Accepting that a person’s place on the popularity scale can be a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes, it would be Heber’s unpopularity with staff and public, rather than his popularity, which would be the real threat. I’m a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes, and Scientology staff and public universally hate me. I’m not popular with any Scientologist. In fact, Scientologists cannot even grant me credence, let alone grant me popularity.
I think, however, that Scientologists’ popularity with staff and public, to sociopaths like Hubbard and Miscavige, is neither good nor bad, but a fact or circumstance, to be used. The people who stood up to Hubbard and stand up to Miscavige are never good, but always bad, because they refuse to be used. I will always be a very real threat in Miscavige’s eyes, and I will always be unpopular with his staff and public because I tell the truth, don’t avoid the actual issues, and don’t lie about them.
The dolls were even flown to the UK for the IAS event where Heber endured endless cruel bullbaiting at the hands of Miscavige. I only saw Heber snap once, when after hours of Miscavige brand taunting and belittling ™, Miscavige squirted Heber’s face and glasses with contact lense fluid and then blew powdered coffee creamer into his face. This is the level of behavior of the so called “leader” of Scientology.
Can you please provide the details of Heber’s snapping?
But that wasn’t all that happened at IAS event time. Heber, along with myself and Guillaume Lesevre were assigned to MEST work. It was surreal, donning a tuxedo to do an international event and then a boilersuit to do MEST work in the woods next to the Saint Hill Manor lake. And then being thrown fully clothed in the lake (in November). Miscavige then decided it wasn’t good enough to be “hidden” by the lake and moving us to do MEST work next to the Stables where all Saint Hill staff walked to eat their meals. It was there that Heber slipped on a log, fell and quite badly injured himself. Of course, Miscavige blamed that on Heber’s “out ethics”.
If Heber was not looking at where he was planting his feet, he wasn’t clear.
But most importantly, Heber, Guillaume, you, and every Sea Org member or Scientologist take the abuse from Miscavige in order to continue to push power to him and to continue to execute his command intention. His command intention has two related basic requirements: 1. to get away with what he’s gotten away with, and 2. to victimize people. Hubbard had the same basic needs and intentions. What Hubbard wanted, and Miscavige wants, to get away with is all the victimizing they’ve done as Scientology leaders. Pretty well whatever you’ve done in the Sea Org or Scientology, except for leaving and telling the truth, pushes power to the leaders’ evil intentions.
(And just a final note on the UK, not really on topic – Guillaume Lesevre and I were assigned to clean the toilets and sweep the halls in AOSHUK , watched over by Security Guards – plenty of public witnessed this).
Heber is banned by Miscavige from making any public appearances and isn’t allowed to be in Int events any longer. So, he has become a “non-person” and is kept out of sight at the Int base.
Heber was the first person from outside the Int base to be sentenced to the Hole. He was there when I left in March 2007, and for all I know, is still there. I do know NOBODY has heard from him for years. And while he was in the Hole, regardless of his years of service and his progressing age, he was treated like everyone else: living in the CMO Int trailer along with 100 others, sleeping on the floor, eating standing up in an office with no tables and chairs and only leaving for 20 minutes once a day for a communal shower in the garage (unless DM was around, in which case some days there were no showers as nobody wanted to risk DM seeing the SPs in the Hole being frog-marched by security to the garage because it would “enturbulate” him – though he demanded daily reports to keep track of “juicy” admissions coerced out of people). Heber was stood in front of the 100 people and “forced” to confess (an activity which I am ashamed to say I took part in) and then derided about his Mormon upbringing and his relationships with other religious leaders (he was labeled a squirrel). Heber never complained though he was the most senior person in the Hole and the living conditions took a greater toll on him than anyone.
Is Heber never complaining Scientology working or being kept working? Or is Heber not applying Scientology by never complaining?
If Heber was applying Scientology by not complaining, was Miscavige also applying Scientology by giving Heber something to not complain about?
And like everyone else, he was not allowed to communicate with anyone outside the Hole at all. Not even his own family. And that for Heber was perhaps the hardest thing to endure.
But he did endure it. And he endured it so that evil could triumph; so that the Scientology power he pushed power to could victimize all the people the power wanted to victimize and get away with all the victimizing.
You did a lot of victimizing, Mike. You victimized me for more than 20 years. Don’t you, exactly like Hubbard and Miscavige, want to get away with what you’ve gotten away with? Isn’t that why you haven’t contacted me and helped me end the victimization?
Marty too has the same evil intention as Hubbard and Miscavige: to get away with all the victimizing he’s done for Scientology. That’s why Marty doesn’t grant me credence and continues to victimize me.
Anyone who knows Heber knows above all else his high communication level and how many friends he has made over many years. He is loved by so many because it is impossible to know him and not see the goodness in his heart and his real concern for the well-being of others.
He is so good he’d lie his head off in the service of evil. Was it charm?
Note that these are the same words a huge Scientology faction is saying about the littlest dictator: Mister Miscavige is loved by so many because it is impossible to know him and not see the goodness in his heart and his real concern for the well-being of others. A high communication level in Scientology means the most accomplished, competent liar.
What if both Miscavige and Heber are sociopaths, grotesquely willful liars, and that goodness you say you saw in what you thought was their hearts is standard sociopath’s charm? And what if what you say you saw as real concern for the well-being of others cloaks the sociopaths’ frightful cowardice and evil purposes?
I believe the cutting of his comm lines was the greatest penalty Miscavige could impose on him.
I’m reminded of your cutting my comm line to Mike Douglas by threatening him. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/michael-douglas.html
Now that I think about it, you threatened a bunch of people to try to cut my comm lines with everyone. You black PRed me all over the world to cut my communication lines. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/rinder-ltr-1994-05-09.html
Scientologists paid you to cut my comm lines, and you were very popular with your fellow SO members for doing as much evil to me as you could get away with.
And I must also note that while virtually every prominent executive left in Scientology has put their name on perjured declarations saying that all that has been exposed about Miscavige’s reign of terror ™ is lies, there has been no word from Heber. When you stoop to the bottom of the rotten barrel to trot out ex-wives to respond to allegations of mental and physical abuse by Miscavige, isn’t it odd that the person with perhaps the most credibility with Scientologists and with the media ISNT heard from?
Credibility with Scientologists? The best, most accomplished liar has the most credibility with Scientologists? That makes sense. But the most credibility with wog media? That’s ludicrous.
Accepting for the moment that you’re not lying about your evaluation of Heber as the Scientologist with the most credibility with the media, this evaluation evidences Scientologists’ postulated separation between themselves as superior beings and wogs, including wog media, as inferior beings.
To be honest, I’d rethink that evaluation, and that demonstrably delusionary postulate.
So, why is he still there? Well, read the excellent blog by “Back to Life” recently posted on Scientology-cult which incisively explains the circumstances and mindset that keeps good people chained inside a bad scene.
Scientology is the answer. LFBD F/N That’s what Scientology does. F/N That’s a vital Scientology VFP. F/N
Scientologists applying Scientology make a bad scene. Scientologists applying Scientology keep good people inside the bad scene. Scientologists applying Scientology generate the circumstances and mindset necessary to get people to keep good people in the bad scene. Yes, Scientology is the answer. LFBD F/N
And beyond that, Heber is getting extra-special attention. Because of his popularity and credibility, he has to be kept out of sight. Imagine the nightmare for Miscavige if Heber was ever freed and able to speak his mind?
I suppose that would be interesting. But his mind could be full of lies. Or delusions. And there’s no nightmare for Miscavige if Scientologists tell lies, or wogs tell lies, or they spout delusions. What he can’t handle is Scientologists or wogs telling the truth about Scientology.
Since Scientologists cannot tell the truth about Scientology, it falls to wogs to tell it. And those are the people that give Miscavige nightmares. They’re the same people that give all Scientologists nightmares, you and Marty included. You share the identical nightmares with Miscavige: honest wogs speaking their minds.
That is why you don’t see Heber.
And yes, something DOES need to be done about it. He is 76 years old, has served LRH and Scientology with distinction and dedication for many decades and in the winter of his body’s life should be living a peaceful existence, pursuing activities that give him pleasure.
Remember, for Heber, serving Hubbard and Scientology with distinction and dedication, was lying. Serving Miscavige and Scientology is the same thing. You can’t serve Hubbard and tell the truth.
For decades, getting away with what he’d gotten away with – avoiding issues, lying, bullying, victimizing good people – was what gave Heber pleasure. It’s the same with every Scientology spokesperson. It was pleasure because, to Scientology spokespersons, successful lying, victimizing, etc. meant the avoidance of the pain that Hubbard, Miscavige or their enforcers inflicted if the spokespersons failed to avoid the issues, failed to get away with their lies, or failed to bully or victimize their targets.
So, if you have an opportunity, ask Scientologists, the media, law enforcement or anyone else who may have an interest: “Where is Heber Jentzsch, the President CSI?”
But infinitely more importantly, ask everyone, “Where is an honest Scientologist?” LFBD